The Guardian - Jonathan Watts
The award-winning atmospheric scientist on the urgency of the climate crisis and why people are her biggest hope
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| Katharine Hayhoe: ‘Fear is a short-term spur to action, but to make changes over the long term, we must have hope.’
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Katharine Hayhoe
is an atmospheric scientist and director of the Climate Science Center
at Texas Tech University. She has contributed to more than 125
scientific papers and won numerous prizes for her science communication
work. In 2018 she was a contributor to the US National Climate
Assessment and was awarded the
Stephen H Schneider award for outstanding climate science communication.
Interview
In 2018, we have seen forest fires in the Arctic circle; record high temperatures in parts of Australia, Africa and the US; floods in India; and devastating droughts in South Africa and Argentina. Is this a turning point?
This
year has hit home how climate change loads the dice against us by
taking naturally occurring weather events and amplifying them. We now
have attribution studies that show how much more likely or stronger
extreme weather events have become as a result of human emissions. For
example,
wildfires
in the western US now burn nearly twice the area they would without
climate change, and almost 40% more rain fell during Hurricane Harvey
than would have otherwise. So we are really feeling the impacts and know
how much humanity is responsible.
The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change released its 1.5C report in October. A month later, the US federal government’s climate assessment – to which you contributed – came out. How did these two massive studies move our understanding along?
These
assessments are important because there is a Schrödinger’s Cat element
to studying climate impacts. The act of observing affects the outcome.
If people aren’t aware of what is happening, why would anyone change?
Assessments like these provide us with a vision of the future if we
continue on our current pathway, and by doing so they address the most
widespread and dangerous myth that the largest number of us have bought
into: not that the science isn’t real, but rather that climate change
doesn’t matter to me personally.
Compared to past studies, how much media attention did these reports receive?
There
was significant coverage but a lot of media survive by generating
controversy so they bring on opposing voices rather than explaining the
scientific facts.
Climate change
shouldn’t be fodder for commentators who represent the interests of the
fossil fuel industry by muddying the science. As a human and a
scientist, this focus on controversy is frustrating. A thermometer is
not liberal or conservative.
Fossil fuels have brought us many benefits ... but the solution to our current crisis is to stop using them. That is scary
Are there any signs that public opinion is shifting in the US and elsewhere?
We
haven’t yet reached the tipping point to motivate sufficient action.
But there has been a change. Ten years ago, few people felt personally
affected by climate change. It seemed very distant. Today, most people
can point to a specific way climate affects their daily lives. This is
important because the three key steps to action are accepting that
climate change is real, recognising it affects us, and being motivated
to do something to fix it. Opinion polls in the US show
70% of people agree the climate is changing, but a majority still say it won’t affect them.
Trump was dismissive of these reports and has repeatedly tried to deny any link between climate change and extreme weather. What are the politics behind this denial?
It’s
a vicious cycle. The more doom-filled reports the scientists release,
the stronger the pushback from politicians whose power, ideology and
funding depends on maintaining the status quo, and who are supported by
those who fear the solutions to climate change more than they fear its
impacts. Opposition to climate change is a symptom of a society that is
politically polarised between those who cling to the past and those who
recognise the need for a better future. Fossil fuels have brought us
many benefits – and I’m grateful for their contribution to my life – but
the solution to our current crisis is to stop using them. That change
can be scary, especially for those with most to lose financially from
this shift. If you feel threatened, the instinctive reaction is to push
back.
Progress of sorts was made at the UN climate talks in Poland, though many scientists say global society is not moving fast enough. What is your take?
Progress was made in Poland as the world agreed on a rule book to implement the
Paris agreement.
The agreement is like a global pot luck in which every nation brings
something different to the party. For some it’s soil conservation, for
another wind power or carbon pricing. Poland gave us an agreed common
standard on how to measure these contributions. That was progress. As
scientists, we are like physicians for the planet who have been
monitoring its rising fever for 80 years. We know that our lifestyle,
specifically our dependence on fossil fuels is the cause of a problem
that is rapidly becoming serious and in some cases even dangerous. So
when we see the world dragging its heels and carbon emissions continuing
to grow, we become concerned, anxious, and even frustrated. We know we
aren’t changing fast enough.
On current trends, if you had to give a percentage breakdown
of the likelihood of the following three outcomes by 2100, what would
you give: a) keeping to 1.5C; b) keeping to 2C; c) rising above 3C; and d) overshooting 4C?
I’d
put my money on a gradual bend away from a higher scenario, which is
where we are now, until accumulating and worsening climate disasters
eventually lead to a collective “oh shit!” moment, when people finally
realise climate impacts do pose a far greater threat than the solutions.
At that point, I would hope the world would suddenly ramp up its carbon
reduction to the scale of a Manhattan Project or a moon race and we
would finally be able to make serious progress. The multitrillion-dollar
question is simply when that tipping point in opinion will come, and
whether it will be too late for civilisation as we know it. I hope with
all my heart that we stay under 1.5C, but my cynical brain says 3C.
Perhaps the reality will be somewhere between my head and my heart at
2C.
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| Extinction Rebellion marching with other groups through London in December last year. Photograph: Guy Bell/Rex/Shutterstock
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What is the best way out of the climate crisis? What policies would make a difference?
The
most important thing is to accelerate the realisation that we have to
act. This means connecting the dots to show that the impacts are not
distant any more: they are here and they affect our lives. It also means
talking about solutions. The technology and knowledge are there. The
economics already make sense. In Texas, where I live, the biggest
military base, Fort Hood, switched last year to renewables because they
were cheaper than natural gas. And finally, it means weaning ourselves
off fossil fuels, which is challenged by the fact that the majority of
the world’s richest companies have made their money from the fossil fuel
economy – so the majority of the wealth and power remains in their
hands.
Are there any climate engineering schemes or trials that have potential?
One solution being discussed is the idea of deliberately
geoengineering
the planet to remove carbon dioxide from the atmosphere and/or cool the
planet. I believe it is important to discuss and study these
technologies very thoroughly, because implementing some of them, like
solar radiation management
[spraying particles into the air to simulate a volcanic eruption and
block some of the sunlight reaching Earth], is extremely risky. It would
be like giving an experimental drug to every human on the planet before
it had been tested. I’m more hopeful about smaller scale, less risky
geoengineering projects that suck carbon dioxide out of the air, such as
those being trialled by
Climeworks to turn carbon into stone or fuel: or even massive tree-planting efforts, as in Bhutan.
What’s the role of global finance? Can money
managers, shareholders and multinationals exert pressure and take
positive action in ways that short-termist, vote-hungry politicians seem
unable to do?
Yes! In the world we live in, money speaks
loudly. Thanks to the growing divestment movement, we have seen cities,
universities and entire countries, in the case of Ireland, withdrawing
investments from fossil fuel assets. This isn’t only happening for
ethical reasons but for practical ones as well. As clean energy
continues to expand, those assets could become stranded. When money
talks the world listens.
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| Firefighters watch as flames climb a hillside in Guinda, California, July last year. Photograph: Josh Edelson/AFP/Getty Images
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What are the most positive developments you have seen in the past year in the climate field?
I’m
asked what gives me hope on a daily basis, and my answer is, I don’t
find hope in my science, I find it in people. Over the last few years,
the number of people who want to talk about and do something about
climate has increased exponentially. Then, there is the unexpected
leadership of organisations such as Young Evangelicals for Climate
Action, RepublicEN, the
Iron and Earth
group – young professionals in the oil and construction industries who
want to be part of the move from fossil fuels; and the take-up of
renewables even in conservative states like Texas, which now gets 20% of
its energy from wind and solar power.
Finally, there’s the encouraging news such as solar being the
fastest-growing power source around the world, clean energy jobs growing
from India to the US, and new technology being developed every year
that drops the price and increases the accessibility of fossil fuel
alternatives.
This year has also seen the rise of disruptive campaigning, for example Extinction Rebellion in the UK; the student strikes led by Greta Thunberg; and direct action in the US and Canada against oil pipelines. Is there a point when scientists also have to speak out more forcefully?
We
are moving in that direction. Scientists are not just disembodied
brains floating in a glass jar, we are humans who want the same thing
every other human wants, a safe place to live on this planet we call
home. So while our work must continue to be unbiased and objective,
increasingly we are raising our voices, adding to the clear message that
climate change is real and humans are responsible, the impacts are
serious and we must act now, if we want to avoid the worst of them.
What are the key political moments in 2019 for climate policy in the US and the world?
International
talks are important but we should be looking at subnational actors
because there is a lot going on at the city and corporate level. Across
the US a hundred cities have committed to going 100% clean energy.
Companies like Apple have already achieved that goal. In the US there’s a
new climate bill with bipartisan sponsors, which is essential for
legislation to succeed long-term.
Are we likely to get any respite from climate change?
(Sighs.)
Climate change
is a long-term trend superimposed over natural variability. There’ll be
good and bad years, just like there are for a patient with a long-term
illness, but it isn’t going away. To stabilise climate change, we have
to eliminate our carbon emissions. And we’re still a long way away from
that.
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